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    Posted: 15 July 2006 at 11:55am

Hi,

I am not sure if this question came along already, but I have the following problem.

Because I am a small user I can’t afford a fallback mail server myself, instead I use a mail server from somebody else. The problem I noticed is that a lot of spam send to a backup mail server, the highest rank number, these came therefore from a mail server that is not in the MAPS list and it will not recognized as spam. The mail only will be stopped when I manually put the IP,s, from the original sender, in the blacklist or when they are recognized by the SURBL or any other body filter.

It will also happen when people have a mail address, not from my domain,  and have them all forwarded to my domain.

Can I do something about this behavior?

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You're right, it is a pain.  I am in the same boat as well.  I too use a backup mail server, provided by another entity, which means that I can't deploy my same SpamFilter settings on that mail server.  And as you mentioned, by all of the mail coming in from that i.p. as the final stop along the route, several blacklists are rendered ineffective for that email.  Also, I think you were eluding that when email comes from that backup mail server that it can cause problems with false positives with SPF checks.

I definitely hear you on all of that.  If there were a way to specify a "relay list", then perhaps SpamFilter could treat those backup server i.p.s transparently - as if they were not forwarding the message at all.  But ignore that for now - That I know of, there are two routes you can go:

Keep the backup mail server
  • Use your keywords blacklist, with ScanReceivedHeaders set to "1" so that you can blacklist major-offending i.p.s that appear somewhere in the stack of spam received headers from those messages (sounds like you're already doing this)
  • Add bogus MX records to your DNS - with a lower precedence level (like 90) then any of your legitimate mail servers.  Some spammers will attack only your lowest-precedent mail server -  assuming that it may have the lowest level of filtering protection - and then give up.  Some spammers follow the RFC guidelines and actually attempt your mail servers in proper order.  And some just try 'em all .  In any case, it seems to have reduced some of the spam otherwise coming from my backup; but it's not a full & perfect solution - you will still get plenty of spam.

Use a medium grade machine at home as a backup:
  • So you don't have the resources to shell out thousands of dollars for the sole purpose of a backup mail server; maybe a standard machine at home might help (then again, as mentioned before, some spammers prefer the backups - increasing the load on those machines that are intended to rarely be active).
  • Obviously, if this home machine has identical rules as your primary mail server, any message that passes one would have passed the other; therefore, you can whitelist your home address's i.p. as it forwards mail to your primary.
  • You'd have to figure out what to do with your quarantine.  You probably would not be excited to have you or your users sifting through two web interfaces instead of one.  Perhaps if you allow your existing database to be accessed over the internet, you can have your backup mail server connect and upload data to your database, hopefully without exposing a security hole.

I too am in scenario #1, and am contemplating jumping to #2.  As an aside, does anyone have experience with having two SpamFilter installations connect to a central database?  If so, does it work like a peach?  What database do you use?

See, I answer questions so I can ask them.  I'm just selfish that way.

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Thanks for your response and clarification of things.

It's not that I don't want to spend money on a fallback server, but my main server is already at my home and because I am not a company and use a simple broadband connection, my ISP won’t give me a second IP number, then there is still the problem when my connection fails.

You're right I use the blacklist to filter the header for known IP’s, that works a little but it’s cost a lot of time to keep track of all the IP numbers and type them manually in the blacklist, but I guess there is no other way.

I already use several MX records, a friend give me this option.  I use three record, first my mailserver second my fallback and third my mail server again, but I should try a bogus one as highest rank.

I guess the conclusion is, I have to live with it.

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Stephen,

"As an aside, does anyone have experience with having two SpamFilter installations connect to a central database?  If so, does it work like a peach?  What database do you use?"

I have several servers connecting to a single MS-SQL server with ZERO issues.



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Thanks Dan.  Much appreciated!

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