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I ran into a problem the other day and I need some assistance. My email setup is a bit strange so I will explain. our mx records point to the server with spam filter on it (like most of you) then once the email passes through spam filter the server forwards it to inself on a differnt port I designated where I have another commercial spam/virus/content filter setup to listen. This other product gets the message, insert disclaimers, checks for viruses etc. then it is forwarded to our exchange server. outbound email is sent from our exchange server to the sever with spam filter and the other email scanner on the port that I designated (not 25) so out bound email has disclaimers and virus checks and what not, then the email is sent out to remote servers. The outbound email never touches spamfilter, as it shouldn't. Ok, with that said here is the problem. A user tried to send an email to someone at airmail.net and immediately got a rejection message saying that mail can't be delivered to that domain. it works from yahoo and other places... >Dear Airmail.net, > >My name is Peter XXX, I am one of the >System Administrators for XXXX. >We have users that are trying to email >recepients in the airmail.net domain and are >receiving errors. We have verified that >everything on our end if working but >continue to get error messages. The error >message is >"Sent <<< RCPT TO:<dwvideo@airmail.net> >Received >>> 550 sender verify failed" > >Can you please assist us in resolving this >issue. My email address is XXXX, >or you can call me at XXXX. >Thank you. Then I get this email back: Dear Peter, Thank you for writing Internet America Technical Support. This message appears to be failing sender verification, one of many techniques used to block junk mail. In sender verification, the sending organizations inbound server denies any the validity of a mailbox, and so we won't accept the message. We ask the server that handles the mail for the address that the mail supposedly came from, and if it says there is no such box, the mail is rejected. If it is a real mailbox name,they will need to adjust their mail server so that it complies with the standards for mail (RFCs). Note that sender verification is not performed if the destination mailbox has elected to be excepted from Airscreen. Thanks, I have never heard of anyone doing this to allow or not allow mail to be accepted. I though not all mail servers support fingering for alive email address??? I know its long and I appreciate the help |
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Desperado ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 27 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1143 |
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You have a real problem there but if I understand the whole mess, Our servers also would be rejected because we set the "Disallow all SMTP VRFY commands" flag. Here is the ironic part ... we set that flag to prevent "Address Harvesting" from spammers. Is their administrator saying that your server must respond to the "VRFY" directive? If so, tell them that that is the most ridiculous thing you have ever heard of and does THEIR server respond to the "VRFY" directive? I bet not and what is good for the goose is good for the gander.
I bet this is not what you wanted to hear!
Dan S.
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LogSat ![]() Admin Group ![]() ![]() Joined: 25 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4104 |
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Peter, Internet America requires that mail servers comply with RFCs. They need to interpret the RFCs correctly... I fully agree with Dan on the stupidity of such decision. Disabling the VRFY is one of the 1st things many administrators do nowdays to help fight spammers. I highlighted below the relevant sections of the RFC that's involved. You may want to explain the administrators of that ISP how the RFC actually works. Roberto F. RFC 2821 states: ================ 2.3 Terminology .5.2 VRFY Normal Response 7.3 VRFY, EXPN, and Security |
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Keizersozay ![]() Guest Group ![]() |
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Robert And Dan, I appreciate your help with this and with the technical aspects of the RFC's. Thanks again, |
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Desperado ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 27 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1143 |
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I recommend that diplomacy is used! Many Network administrators (excluding myself of course!) get very defensive and then turn ugly. I have been a Network Operations Manager for many years and have yet to understand why. I kinda thought that we were all on the same team ... but I also believe in the tooth fairy so ... Regards, Dan S |
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Keizersozay ![]() Guest Group ![]() |
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Yes, I agree. I don't plan on throwing it in their face. I also just got this back from Internet America: Dear Peter, I thought this was interesting. So I tried it myself with out a blank from email address (since I dont' allow blank from addresses) and it worked... 220 hqfile.XX.com Welcome to the Lamar Spam Filter SpamFilter for ISP SMTP Server v1.2.0.201 I am going to send them this info and see what happens. Thanks for your help... |
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